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lilly:
Gavlah doing the Dad dance, would love to see that! ;D ;D ;D

YANNIS26:
As Mark Twain said, there are lies, damned lies, and statistics!
Hi Jimbo
The above statement is very true.You can prove anything with statistics.
People have very polarised views on smoking.
We have both the pro & anti stormtroopers in our midst.
My view is somewhere down the middle.This post is about smoking while dining alfresco.My view is that non smokers should not be subjected to smoking during their meal, however you achieve this.My personal view is if I was a smoker I would refrain from smoking.I would not put a non smoker in the position of having to move to avoid my smoke.I would find it much more convenient for everyone to leave the dining area to have a smoke.As regards smoking in general, including in open air bars I have no problem with this.In the past my most satisfying smoke was while drinking.
Yammas
Yiannis

Andy7:

--- Quote from: Jimbo on March 16, 2013, 12:29:03 PM ---The statistical studies upon which the conclusions about secondary smoking are based are widely considered to be deeply flawed and scientifically unsound. There is no clinical evidence - only dubious statistics.

The largest studies conducted are in America, where a senior judge said the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) had illegally manipulated the data - including lowering the reliability rating from 95% to 90% to get a result that was politically motivated, and that it had ignored any studies which went against the desired outcome. One research paper, for example, found a 20% lower incidence of asthma in children whose parents were smokers.

As Mark Twain said, there are lies, damned lies, and statistics!

--- End quote ---

Well said jimbo, there are lies, lies and statistics particularly when it comes to government politically motivated propaganda.

It's the same with Global Warming but that's another issue ;D ;D ;D

Andy

Andy7:

--- Quote from: Sellsy on March 16, 2013, 03:28:26 AM ---Interesting points one and all, just to confirm I raised the question as we had a meal spoilt by excessive smoke from several tables all around us. We were under cover in a balcony area. We didn't complain just smiled and got on with our meals, we were on holiday, it's what you do. It's not practical to move mid meal, but it may be practical to have non smoking areas? The alfresco aspect is relevant , outdoors not a problem, but in semi enclosed dining areas it can genuinely be unpleasant for non smokers.No prejudice,no nanny state storm troopers,no human rights articles being waved about,just a family tolerating the habits of others and asking a reasonable question of fellow holiday makers, Is it right to smoke next to fellow diners as they eat their meal?

--- End quote ---

Just to say that I do think smokers should be considerate when other people are eating nearby, it doesn't bother me but it may do other people. Gill smokes 'a lot' but if the smoke goes across to other dinners out goes the fag. It's just being considerate.

What I object to is the blanket ban in the UK of what is after all a legal activity, I wish we could ban naughty children in restaurants as easily ::)

Andy

Jimbo:
Andy - let's not start on global warming, which is indisputable!

Here are a few actual facts for the anti-smoking devotees to remember:

* In 2012 UK smokers contributed £12.1 billion to the exchequer - representing approximately 2% of total income, and 11.1% of the NHS budget, or the whole of Child Benefits.
* Smokers live on average five years less than non-smokers, representing a massive saving in pensions and health care.
* Smokers pay 10 times as much money towards the NHS as they cost.
* The UK is the third most expensive place to buy cigarettes in the world.
* The World Health Organisation stated that increasing prices had little or no effect on smoking rates.

It should be fairly clear from this that if smoking was actually banned, UK taxes would have to rise by substantially more than 2%.

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