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Jimbo:
Office For National Statistics, summary July 2015:


--- Quote ---Latest figures from the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) showed that, for the offences it covers, there were an estimated 6.8 million incidents of crime against households and resident adults (aged 16 and over). This is a 7% decrease compared with the previous year’s survey, and the lowest estimate since the CSEW began in 1981
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Crime in Hounslow is slightly down over the last year. Hull's crime rate is above average - but Hull has a very small immigrant population, so it's impossible to point the finger at immigrants when looking for causes. London has the highest crime rate per capita, as one might expect.

It's not about Right or Left - as the newspaper with the largest circulation in the UK, the Mail has a duty to be as accurate and objective as possible and not just make it up as it goes along.

Jimbo:
Saturdays's Telegraph Magazine has a long and surprisingly sympathetic article about Yanis Varoufakis.

Intentioncraft:
Absolutely spot on Tony,your observations reflect the situation I find here in my native North East,I will defer posting my tuppence worth as you have nailed it so eloquently,when you stand for election representing the culturally challenged party,you've got my vote.

tonyco1:

--- Quote from: Jimbo on April 05, 2016, 12:54:28 PM ---Office For National Statistics, summary July 2015:

Crime in Hounslow is slightly down over the last year. Hull's crime rate is above average - but Hull has a very small immigrant population, so it's impossible to point the finger at immigrants when looking for causes. London has the highest crime rate per capita, as one might expect.

It's not about Right or Left - as the newspaper with the largest circulation in the UK, the Mail has a duty to be as accurate and objective as possible and not just make it up as it goes along.

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The Mirror, Morning Star, London Evening News, Guardian, (Not so) Independent, and a few other rags, also have a duty to report & to be as accurate and objective as possible and not just make it up as it goes along - - also - but they don't either.
It's not just your pet hate, i.e. the Mail - so lets be balanced on this.

Luckily for me Jim - I don't live in the Borough of Hounslow, which is now an awful place to live or shop these days, with a million pound shops and cheap meat / veg shops rule.
A once sought after town to live in now looks like an over-crowded ghetto.
Most crime there doesn't get reported, mainly because if it's damage or theft, the insurance companies cane you on renewal.
God knows where the stat's come from but my local paper reports machete fights, stabbings, severe assaults, drug dealing, no-go areas, as well as theft and damage.

I live in Hillingdon, where anti-social behaviour is at a high compared to 10 years ago. Don't quote figures at me because I see it daily, in the real world.

This doesn't show in stat's because they certainly don't reflect or report in the real world.
In fact you can chuck figures at me until you are blue in the face - but I do live here and I do live in the real world - this is what I see and not what a report says.

Reports are usually spun and show figures that suit politically, I am sure you are aware of this after Blair's rule.
Any good accountant or good PR person, a king of spin, like a Barrister, can turn the truth around by wordplay, and convince you,
e.g. that you didn't really have your leg blown off - you just think you did -  case closed !!

I also work in London, and on a daily basis, have to deal with pickpockets, muggings, assaults, unsociable drunken behaviour, as well as the odd murder.
The bulk of which on our patch come from Romania - this will be in your beloved figures. In Hayes we had many instances of Somalian gangs and associated crime,
waiting outside stations in the dark and mugging people. Try Living here now, not looking at reports and saying from aloft, "oh well that can't be - because it say's crime's gone down".
No it hasn't  - they just don't catch them any-more !! - - If they do catch someone - they also lump in as many crimes as possible and ask for them to be taken into consideration, as if they were solved.
Jim I am friends with many ex-police and serving police who tell the truth in private - these things we discuss a lot.
 

Jimbo:
When, exactly, did Somalia join the EU?

I share and sympathise with those suffering from urban blight in inner-city, particularly London, areas. Where I live most crime is committed by unemployed and unemployable white people. Oh - I guess they're largely descendants of the massive wave of Viking immigration. Leaving the EU will have zero effect on immigration from outside the EU, so that's a pathetic argument for leaving.

Protest as you may, Tony, the Mail (Nazi-supporting newspaper, historical fact) has an appalling record compared to other papers for flagrant inaccuracy.

I have only cited government sources - not any newspapers - and if that's not good enough for you, nothing is. I have made few emotional or rhetorical statements in this discussion. But I will say that it may come as a surprise to Londoners to find that there is a fairly large slice of the UK that is not London. Here in Yorkshire we're used to being robbed by the south. The economic future of this country should not be based on the experience of those who live in focal points of urban problems and ghetto's.

UKIP - the beloved party of the Leave campaign - has eleven members of the European Parliament (check it, if you don't believe me) with the worst attendance and voting record of any group in the entire EU. Have they all been a bit poorly? No. Have they derogated their electoral promise to represent the UK in the EU parliament? Obviously. Have they fraternised with and absorbed neo-Fascist elements? Yes. Do they have any coherent plant for a post-Brexit UK? No.

Incidentally, I did not say I would vote IN. I said I was awaiting any facts to support the case for exit, and so far I haven't seen any. What I have seen is a load of belligerent shouting from those who seem not to want to hear an opposing case. As Rover said earlier, this is national, not a local issue. Many local crime issues can be reduced by enhancing policing, but the Conservatives (traditionally the party most in favour of putting more funds into policing) have made major cuts. It can be done, it has been done elsewhere in the country, despite the savage cuts on general funding in favour of the leafy suburbs. London has many problems, but surely they must be solved within London - applying that to the rest of country is ridiculous.

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