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tonyco1:
Jim, Lets not get too fired up, it's just a discussion.
In saying that, while I respect your opinion, please respect mine - it's equally valid - I just see things from a different perspective.
You answered as I expected, but I'm not at all interested in your views of any newspaper, but please don't insult their readership,
which are many ordinary people who can read between the lines of a paper.

Whether they supported the Nazi or not, it's certainly not my outlook, and the war ended in 1945, I think they have changed since then.
Are you saying they support the Nazi Party today in 2016? Because I don't believe that for a minute.
The Morning star and all the other trot leaning rags would by the same definition support Communist Russia and Stalin - just as bad, and just as silly to associate.
Can we now leave news papers alone as it's a sideshow.....

I'm afraid I live in the real world and am not afraid to say things as they are - - - sometimes without the ridiculous political correctness that we bear on our shoulders.
I respect all other nationalities and religions, unless they cause me a problem. To get my respect they should be willing to work (when allowed), and not come for a free ride on benefits.
If they show respect in general, I return that respect and have made many diverse friends over the years, however when people are welcomed into a country, to escape a war or similar,
and then they go around in gangs of young men, molesting women, it's not funny and they need to be deported back immediately as they are criminals.

The Somalians are not from the EU, nor are the Syrians we all know that, I never said they were. However I mentioned that as they became a local problem as an example.
However my point was that factions of them, gangs of young men who don't really want to work or integrate go around and disrespect the land that welcomed them in, this also applies to anyone from the EU who simply wishes to free-load - and my friend - - - there are loads of them. Come here to work and contribute - then that's fine with me.

The main reason that people want to Brexit is because we can't control our borders.
Why do I say that ?  - - - because I have 130 staff, plus another 400+ that I speak to at various times over the months at work, they mainly (overwhelmingly), feel the same way I do.
It's a major issue here and it's here where we live.
They are a good straw poll of working and middle England people, who see the bad side of being ruled by the unelected EU, the streets, the way of life changing for the worse.
Talk to the people in the street, leave the Ivory towers of academics and Student life and the world of fiction - ask real people for their opinion - you'll get a shock.

When I see what happens where I live I want to try and change things.
I know it's a national issue, but people living in the North can make their own decision and vote accordingly, I think what is happening around me is a big issue and I will vote accordingly.
No one in the South robs the North, that's an emotive statement and you are basically making accusations that are simply not true - but hey you are allowed an opinion.
Trouble is Jim that you are now the one doing a load of belligerent shouting and it seems that you do not to want to hear an opposing case either.

I think I'll leave it at that - I've made my point as you already have above, so I'll probably not bother to respond again as it's all getting too heavy and it's just politics.
So a quote from your mate Cameron, "Calm down dear" - - - LOL  ;D

tonyco1:

--- Quote from: Intentioncraft on April 05, 2016, 04:45:16 PM ---Absolutely spot on Tony,your observations reflect the situation I find here in my native North East,I will defer posting my tuppence worth as you have nailed it so eloquently,when you stand for election representing the culturally challenged party,you've got my vote.

--- End quote ---
HaHaHa - nice one - - - especially the bit "when you stand for election representing the culturally challenged party" that made me chuckle....  ;D.

tonyco1:

--- Quote from: Rover on April 05, 2016, 12:22:47 PM ---Well Tonyco1, if I base my decision on "as I find".
I can call my surgery early in the morning and get an appointment on the same day.
I can also book on line, useful for non urgent consultations.
On a recent visit to A&E, we were admitted,injury assessed, X Ray taken, plaster applied all within 90 minutes. We left the hospital with a follow up appointment for the following week. The visit was on a Saturday morning.
My grandchildren all attend highly rated schools within walking distance of their home.
Having had to call the police last year, they responded within 45 minutes, were helpful, and provided follow up services.
I will not go on, because I will not be basing my decision on "what I see". I will base it on the economic future. It is the only way to decide.

--- End quote ---
Sounds like utopia - I wish I could ... Good Luck to you !!

Jimbo:
I appeal to the jury. I have not been emotional, Tony - you have. I've tried to bring a few facts and some logic to the argument.

If you don't believe there is a mismatch between funding between the north and the south you really should spend a bit of time doing your homework.

I, too, am tired of this argument. In the face of logic the religious and the passionately nationalist always resort to shouting. I have not shouted. I calmly ask the question "What will be the benefit for my children or grandchildren if we leave the EU at this point?" Silence.

Rover:
Not utopia Tonyco1, just trying to point out that things are not always as bad as reported. Jumbo is right. We should be thinking about our grandchildren.

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